Sep 28, 2005 19:40
18 yrs ago
Italian term
distrettualistiche
Italian to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
In a report on business in Italy
le realta distrettualistiche, intese come agglomerati di aziende differenti...
Reappears later on in "x% delle aree distrettualistiche"
All ideas greatly appreciated!
le realta distrettualistiche, intese come agglomerati di aziende differenti...
Reappears later on in "x% delle aree distrettualistiche"
All ideas greatly appreciated!
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | The industrial districts (sb) | Linda 969 |
5 +4 | of the districts | Mario Calvagna |
3 +1 | industrial zone, industrial region, industrial area | DCypher (X) |
4 | industrial park | CLS Lexi-tech |
Proposed translations
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The industrial districts (sb)
I agree with Mario that *district* is the word, but I think *realtà* requires a little recasting
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3671/is_200107/a...
**Industrial districts** are geographically defined production systems characterized by a large number of small and mediumsized firms that are involved in various stages of the production process in a particular industry
You could say something like
**The/these industrial districts, defined as clusters of industrial enterprises...**
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Note added at 2 hrs 15 mins (2005-09-28 21:56:29 GMT)
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as for your second phrase, how you translate it depends on whether they are talking about a) areas within a single district b) areas that belong to different industrial districts, or c) the districts themselves
a) X% of the areas belonging to the industrial district
b) X% of the areas belonging to industrial districts
c) X% of the industrial districts
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Note added at 23 hrs 36 mins (2005-09-29 19:16:54 GMT)
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I agree with Paul that *industrial districts* sounds clumsy; however, this refers to a specific situation that has been extensively described and is widely known in the business and research communities
An example:
Industrial districts and inter-firm co-operation in Italy :
Author(s) Becattini, G., ed, Pyke, F., ed, Sengenberger, W., ed,
Published Geneva : International Institute for Labour Studies, 1990.
Abstract This book focuses on the **industrial districts** of North Central and North Eastern Italy ... It is an aim of the International Institute for Labour Studies to bring to the attention of the public and policy-makers new ideas and developments in the world of industry and labour. The general significance of the **industrial district** phenomenon and its broader implications and value for those concerned with promoting economically efficient, yet socially worthwhile, economic organisations, remains to be seen.
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Note added at 2 days 16 mins (2005-09-30 19:56:54 GMT)
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Check this out
http://www.distretti.org/cgi-db/portale.htm
This map shows what we're talking about http://www.clubdistretti.it/Distretti/mappe/mappadistrettiit...
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Note added at 2 days 1 hr 13 mins (2005-09-30 20:54:01 GMT)
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I hope this clarifies what an *industrial district* is, don't think I can do any better!
http://www.competitiveness.org/article/articleview/14/1/5/
Many terms have been used to describe geographic agglomerations of firms in an industry or related industries. Terms with somewhat different meanings are sometimes used interchangeably, creating confusion and a need for more precise definitions.In particular, it is important to distinguish between:
An industrial cluster (see Porter 1990) is a set of industries related through buyer-supplier and supplier-buyer relationships, or by common technologies, common buyers or distribution channels, or common labor pools.
A regional cluster (see Enright 1992, 1993) is an industrial cluster in which member firms are in close geographic proximity to each other. A more inclusive definition would be: regional clusters are geographic agglomerations of firms in the same or closely related industries
**Industrial districts** (such as the Italian industrial districts described in Brusco 1992; Piore and Sabel 1984; Becattini 1987, 1989; Goodman and Bamford 1990; and Pyke, Becattini, and Sengenberger 1992) are concentrations of firms involved in interdependent production processes, often in the same industry or industry segment, that are embedded in the local community and delimited by daily travel to work distances (Sforzi 1992).
A business network consists of several firms that have ongoing communication and interaction, and might have a certain level of interdependence, but that need not operate in related industries or be geographically concentrated in space (see Staber 1996 and Sydow 1996 for discussions of business networks). (...) Given the extensive literature on **industrial districts**, the distinction between regional clusters and industrial districts (a subset of regional clusters) is worth highlighting. Whereas the focal point of an **industrial district** is often a single industry or even a single industry segment, regional clusters generally involve a range of related industries.
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*industrial parks* are a totally different thing
A parcel of land specifically developed to provide lots for industrial activities.
www.omegarealtors.com/Glossary/default.asp
An area zoned and planned for the purpose of industrial development. Usually located outside the main residential area of a city and normally provided with adequate transportation access, including roads and railroad.
www.yourwebassistant.net/glossary/i3.htm
An industrial park is an area of land set aside for industrial development. Industrial parks are usually located close to transport facilities, especially where more than one transport modality (intermodal) coincides: highways, railroads, airports, and navigable rivers. A more "lightweight" version is the office park, which has offices and light industry, rather than heavy industry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_park
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Districts:
spontaneous, informal development
large area
same industry
Parks:
planned/zoned (the developer usually rents the lots out to companies)
much smaller
factories/companies may have nothing to do with each other
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Whew! I don't think I ever went to such lengths to make my point ;-)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3671/is_200107/a...
**Industrial districts** are geographically defined production systems characterized by a large number of small and mediumsized firms that are involved in various stages of the production process in a particular industry
You could say something like
**The/these industrial districts, defined as clusters of industrial enterprises...**
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Note added at 2 hrs 15 mins (2005-09-28 21:56:29 GMT)
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as for your second phrase, how you translate it depends on whether they are talking about a) areas within a single district b) areas that belong to different industrial districts, or c) the districts themselves
a) X% of the areas belonging to the industrial district
b) X% of the areas belonging to industrial districts
c) X% of the industrial districts
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Note added at 23 hrs 36 mins (2005-09-29 19:16:54 GMT)
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I agree with Paul that *industrial districts* sounds clumsy; however, this refers to a specific situation that has been extensively described and is widely known in the business and research communities
An example:
Industrial districts and inter-firm co-operation in Italy :
Author(s) Becattini, G., ed, Pyke, F., ed, Sengenberger, W., ed,
Published Geneva : International Institute for Labour Studies, 1990.
Abstract This book focuses on the **industrial districts** of North Central and North Eastern Italy ... It is an aim of the International Institute for Labour Studies to bring to the attention of the public and policy-makers new ideas and developments in the world of industry and labour. The general significance of the **industrial district** phenomenon and its broader implications and value for those concerned with promoting economically efficient, yet socially worthwhile, economic organisations, remains to be seen.
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Note added at 2 days 16 mins (2005-09-30 19:56:54 GMT)
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Check this out
http://www.distretti.org/cgi-db/portale.htm
This map shows what we're talking about http://www.clubdistretti.it/Distretti/mappe/mappadistrettiit...
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Note added at 2 days 1 hr 13 mins (2005-09-30 20:54:01 GMT)
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I hope this clarifies what an *industrial district* is, don't think I can do any better!
http://www.competitiveness.org/article/articleview/14/1/5/
Many terms have been used to describe geographic agglomerations of firms in an industry or related industries. Terms with somewhat different meanings are sometimes used interchangeably, creating confusion and a need for more precise definitions.In particular, it is important to distinguish between:
An industrial cluster (see Porter 1990) is a set of industries related through buyer-supplier and supplier-buyer relationships, or by common technologies, common buyers or distribution channels, or common labor pools.
A regional cluster (see Enright 1992, 1993) is an industrial cluster in which member firms are in close geographic proximity to each other. A more inclusive definition would be: regional clusters are geographic agglomerations of firms in the same or closely related industries
**Industrial districts** (such as the Italian industrial districts described in Brusco 1992; Piore and Sabel 1984; Becattini 1987, 1989; Goodman and Bamford 1990; and Pyke, Becattini, and Sengenberger 1992) are concentrations of firms involved in interdependent production processes, often in the same industry or industry segment, that are embedded in the local community and delimited by daily travel to work distances (Sforzi 1992).
A business network consists of several firms that have ongoing communication and interaction, and might have a certain level of interdependence, but that need not operate in related industries or be geographically concentrated in space (see Staber 1996 and Sydow 1996 for discussions of business networks). (...) Given the extensive literature on **industrial districts**, the distinction between regional clusters and industrial districts (a subset of regional clusters) is worth highlighting. Whereas the focal point of an **industrial district** is often a single industry or even a single industry segment, regional clusters generally involve a range of related industries.
**********************
*industrial parks* are a totally different thing
A parcel of land specifically developed to provide lots for industrial activities.
www.omegarealtors.com/Glossary/default.asp
An area zoned and planned for the purpose of industrial development. Usually located outside the main residential area of a city and normally provided with adequate transportation access, including roads and railroad.
www.yourwebassistant.net/glossary/i3.htm
An industrial park is an area of land set aside for industrial development. Industrial parks are usually located close to transport facilities, especially where more than one transport modality (intermodal) coincides: highways, railroads, airports, and navigable rivers. A more "lightweight" version is the office park, which has offices and light industry, rather than heavy industry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_park
***********************
Districts:
spontaneous, informal development
large area
same industry
Parks:
planned/zoned (the developer usually rents the lots out to companies)
much smaller
factories/companies may have nothing to do with each other
**************
Whew! I don't think I ever went to such lengths to make my point ;-)
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Wow..."
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14 mins
of the districts
this is the literal translation. how to word it depends on the whole contest
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Note added at 1 hr 17 mins (2005-09-28 20:57:48 GMT)
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the sentence is not really an easy one. to me the best would be to turn it around somehow. how you do it depends, in my opinion, on the whole topic, and how much lateral thinking is allowed before you actually jeopardize the meaning.
you might find that although district is the literal translation, perhaps other terms that entail a similar concept, may be more appropriate. will put a suggestion if it comes to mind....
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Note added at 11 hrs 8 mins (2005-09-29 06:48:39 GMT)
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the conformations of these districts, by which we mean clusters of different enterprises
one way....
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Note added at 1 hr 17 mins (2005-09-28 20:57:48 GMT)
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the sentence is not really an easy one. to me the best would be to turn it around somehow. how you do it depends, in my opinion, on the whole topic, and how much lateral thinking is allowed before you actually jeopardize the meaning.
you might find that although district is the literal translation, perhaps other terms that entail a similar concept, may be more appropriate. will put a suggestion if it comes to mind....
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Note added at 11 hrs 8 mins (2005-09-29 06:48:39 GMT)
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the conformations of these districts, by which we mean clusters of different enterprises
one way....
Peer comment(s):
agree |
silvia b (X)
: anch'io non vedo perche' non usare "district" dato che l'autore fornisce una definizione dell'uso che fa del termine
2 mins
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grazie silvia
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agree |
Linda 969
43 mins
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grazie linda
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agree |
Cristina Hritcu (X)
4 hrs
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thank you cristina
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agree |
marionclarion
1 day 40 mins
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thank you marion
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+1
19 hrs
industrial zone, industrial region, industrial area
industrial zone; commercial zone; manufacturing zone. It depends greatly on the larger context. Is it possible they are referring to areas of specialisation? i.e. Silicon Valley in California. In this case, you may be able to extend to "specialised" industrial zone. I would prefer "zone" or "region" to district.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Linda 969
: I would generally agree, but not in this context; see my explanation below
4 hrs
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agree |
CLS Lexi-tech
: I tend to agree with you, but I would use "park"; the term is transparent in the anglosphere
20 hrs
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1 day 15 hrs
industrial park
As soon as I read your question, I thought of "industrial park" which is the term used in North America for agglomerati di aziende differenti".
There are too many sites to quote one in particular. See this one for example to gage whether it fits your context.
cheers
paola
There are too many sites to quote one in particular. See this one for example to gage whether it fits your context.
cheers
paola
Peer comment(s):
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Linda 969
: sorry, Paola, I think that would be *parco industriale* not *distretto*//check additional expl provided - sure hope you see it now ;-)))))))
8 hrs
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but what is the difference, that is the point. Ciao
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